The Ramseys protested their innocence for years, appearing on national television to tell their story. We are here to discuss all aspects of the case and remember JonBent Patricia Ramsey. According to The Daily Camera, the McReynolds' middle daughter, 9-years-old at the time, was abducted on December 26, 1974, and witnessed the sexual molestation of her friend. Her murder was harder on me than my operation. His best chance was to work with us, so he became a picture of cooperation. Police chief Mark Beckner has also said that the crime scene wasnt properly sealed off after police arrived. Heres How to Shop for Them. Hair and handwriting samples were collected by police from both of them at that time, according to an Associated Press report. The Ramseys refused to cooperate with police. The victim in the story later dies in a hospital. "And because I'd been told by cyber-crime specialists that JonBent was precisely the kind of child, because of her beauty pageant experience, who could be sucked into the world of child porn. His best finish came in the 2020 season opener at Daytona a runner-up finish, which was also his first top five in the series. OK. Whatever we wanted, he gave, and Jesses handwriting eliminated him as the author of the ransom note. JBR doesn't know the guy so it's not like there is some risk. Stop it already". I recall reading that sparkly Christmas fragments were found in JBR's hair at the time of her death. Karr had reached out to University of Colorado Boulder professor, Michael Tracey through email. His wife, Janet McReynolds, was also reportedly present at the party. Red flags everywhere, as far as the eye can see. Karr had reached out to University of Colorado Boulder professor, Michael Tracey through email. According to Ollie Gray, a private investigator hired by the Ramseys, "Helgothand his accomplices committed the crime. I felt very close to that little girl. Would love to hear others thoughts.. Bill McReynolds: Retired CU Journalism Professor 1968-1992. I thought there was no dna found under her fingertips? There's a reason people who don't really know the details of this case will 90% of the time say they think the parents are guilty of 'something'. Santa Claus, A.K.A Bill McReynolds recruited a younger male to kill JonBenet and film it or take pictures for him. We're going to go up behind the cabin here and have it blow away in the wind." According to the Daily Camera, the woman provided authorities with a list of "specific names of individuals who [were] witnesses in the killing of JonBent as well as ongoing sexual and physical [abusers] of other children.". The South Carolina native got engaged over the weekend to Kendall McReynolds, daughter of two-time Daytona 500 winning-crew chief and NASCAR on FOX analyst Larry McReynolds. I was amazed. She made a profound change in me. Thus the kidnapping charge. To this day, questions around the note still arise. He had been living in the area on and off and when police allegedly found a magazine with pictures of the girl in his backpack. OK. Apart from it, how come the killer left no traces behind? All in the Ramsey's home in such a short time span? Karrs confession made international headlines but he was later dismissed as a pedophile who was after fame. Perhaps the oddest conspiracy theory out there is thatnot only is JonBent still alive, but she's also secretly pop superstar Katy Perry. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but from what I've seen most IDI people actually started out RDI. Mattie Moore McReynolds Knoxville - Mattie Moore McReynolds, age 103, long time resident of the Bluegrass Community, passed away October 18, 2021. Depends who you ask. I wish McReynolds had been made to explain why he lied to Patsy. Karrs confession made international headlines but he was later dismissed as a pedophile who was after fame. Because they were bombarded by a RDI media circus and it made them biased against the parents innocence before they even knew the basic facts of the case. Can I ask you Ivy, did you live through the whole JonBenet murder saga as an adult while it was unfolding? I never saw her that way, said Irene Wills, whose daughter Lucinda was John Ramseys first wife. Regardless, the dude is creepy! Another was Michael Helgoth, an electrician who worked at a nearby auto salvage yard. We also should have separated John and Patsy and gotten full statements from them that day. (Bill McReynolds), He visited adult book stores and admitted to having a long-withstanding admiration for porn. The day is December 26, 1996, in Boulder Colorado where the Ramsey family lives. Part of Karrs twisted confession involved diary entries written about crime in which Karr describes strangling JonBent as a love game gone wrong. Police collect DNA samples from Bill McReynolds Bill McReynolds dressed up as Santa Claus at the Ramseys' Christmas party on December 23. Hired by Marilyn Haus to play Santa at the mall. Former Kidnapping charge was a botched $113 gas station robbery in Arizona, where he forced clerk to move from Point A to Point B, thus the kidnapping charge, He had come home from the Christmas party at his parents home, had a drink of scotch, swallowed some powerful prescription drugs he took for depression, and gone to bed alone, not awakening until late the next morning. Gary Oliva was a known sex offender in Colorado when JonBent was murdered. Again, he is an individual who was involved with her, had an interest in her, was seen with her, shortly before the murder," original prosecutor Trip DeMuth told CNN. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. JonBent had led McReynolds by the hand on a tour of the house during the 1995 Christmas party, including her bedroom and the basement to see where the Christmas trees were kept, and had given him a vial of glittery stardust to sprinkle in his beard. The Ramsey family has also been cleared of all suspicion on multiple occasions due to DNA evidence. Thus the kidnapping charge. Lengthy interview? Two years later, Janet McReynolds wrote a book that became a play in which a girl is sexually assaulted and tortured in a basement. He wrote me a letter saying that he carved JonBenet's name in a harp, it had the name of three other little girls that died early. There have been over 140 suspects since the police began their investigation. They tell him to go back to bed and agree to deny he was ever up. The 2 1/2-page letter demanded that John withdraw $118,000 and wait for further instructions. ), Janets daughter and a friend were taken to an unknown location, where Janets daughter was forced to watch her friend being sexually molested. For many years, JonBents parents and brother, Burke, who was 9-years-old at the time of her death, were considered the main suspects until they were cleared of suspicion. When Bill died in 2002, The Daily Camera emphasized that police sources never considered he or Janet "serious" suspects. He had been living in the area on and off and when police allegedly found a magazine with pictures of the girl in his backpack. He was arrested on drug charges but was soon released. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. It was unusually long and there were no fingerprints found on it except for Patsys and the authorities who handled it. We needed to look back at the family, the people who were in the home that night to determine what motive, what opportunity, what could have caused this situation to occur and eventually be reported to police on the morning of December 26, he said. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Besides her parents, suspicion has been cast on the child sex offender Gary Oliva, the housekeeper Linda Hoffman, an electrician named Michael Helgoth and even the town Santa Bill McReynolds. OK. I just wanted to add something that borders on ridiculous and that's probably being generous. He was arrested on drug charges but was soon released. Even more harrowing, Inside Edition reports that when Oliva was previously arrested in 2000, he was allegedly carrying a photograph of the child beauty queen with him, along with a copy of a poem he'd written called, "Ode to JonBent. Santa was apparently coming to visit JB. (Thomas), McReynolds "had written a card to JonBenet that was found in her trash can after the murder. The McReynolds supposedly refused a search of their house and the police never pursued a search warrant. A lot like OJ. McReynolds won a Western States Art Foundation regional prize and a $7,500 grant from the National Endowment for the Arts, but it was never published and no copy has been released to the media since. (BPD Report #1-568. (BPD Report # 1-645. The note read that if the Ramseys had contacted the police, or told anyone of JonBents disappearance, she would be murdered. JOHN RAMSEY: . We have some letters from him. I hurt a little girl.. The South Carolina native got engaged over the weekend to Kendall McReynolds, daughter of two-time Daytona 500 winning-crew chief and NASCAR on FOX analyst Larry (Bill McReynolds), Good idea, I may take my ashes somewhere when I die too. Why not? Two years later, Janet McReynolds wrote a book that became a play in which a girl is sexually assaulted and tortured in a basement. "She [the California woman] had no direct knowledge of anything that may have occurred the night JonBent died," Police Chief Mark Beckner told the Denver Post. Similarities between the Moscow student murders and the Press J to jump to the feed. I've asked my wife to mix the star dust JonBent gave me with my ashes. I think a lot of us that lived through it were once upon a time RDI. A federal court ruled that it was unlikely that Patsy wrote the note and cited six certified handwriting experts. When I die, I'm going to be cremated. It was later revealed that the note was written on stationery found in the familys home. Your theory is a very specific and detailed scenario - most of it isn't supported by evidence. A minuscule amount of mixed DNA (from different locations and multiple foreign sources) doesn't prove much - unless someone cleaned up afterward, there should have been much more evidence from a single profile left. There's no evidence for it whatsoever, Burke Ramsey "has been cleared so many time and youre still dragging his name through the mud. Supposedly Bill was but Im a little more curious if Jesse ever was. (BPD Report #1-568. On the very same day in 1974 - Boxing Day - McReynolds's nine-year-old daughter had been abducted with a friend, and had witnessed the sexual molestation of her friend. .. John reveals stranger stayed in daughters room Do you think JonBenet was in the wine cellar when Fleet JDI folks - where do we land on the ransom note? Those speculated to be involved range from Santa Claus to Katy Perry. Gosage took it back down the hill to the gas station and handed it to the technician from the CBI. JonBent's mother, Patsy, called police initially believing that her daughter was missing after a ransom note was found on the staircase. It's not easy to unpack all of that garbage and approach the case with fresh eyes. Family and friends were of the Ramseys were also allowed in and out of the house before the initial investigation was completed. One of the most heated debates surrounding the case is the theory that JonBent might have been murdered by an intruder. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. In a very special episode of Listen Carefully, Sam and Lindsey welcome their first guest, Jill McReynolds, daughter of suspect Bill McReynolds. McReynoldss own daughter had been kidnapped 22 years before. There's no doubt about it.". That night Thomas met with Bill and Janet and she conirmed Bill's statement that he was at home at the time of the murder. Her murder was harder on me than my operation. A. James Kolar, who led the case investigation for the Boulder DAs office for nine months, believes its unlikely the girl was killed by an intruder. The 26-year-old committed suicide two days after a 1997 press conference where the Boulder DA announced that they were looking at a new suspect. So he was a white male with dark hair around 20-25 years old. Blood sample? from the 1998 interview: JOHN RAMSEY: . We have some letters from him. So how could there be dna from this accomplice? JBR could just have been bragging. (Thomas), McReynolds said what was truly terrible was that this wasnt the first child to die during his Santa years. Dec 26, 1996. I believed IDI theory, but most people I knew did not. (BPD Report #1-1149. Now, twenty-five years after the shocking discovering, there are still many unanswered questions about the case as experts and amateurs alike try to uncover what happened that night. I would love to know why his red Santa suit was never taken in and fibers from it never compared to the red fibers found on JonBenets shirt and on the garotte. Just because he saw JonBenet last? We also should have separated John and Patsy and gotten full statements from them that day. It feels like you came up with a narrative first and then tried to adjust it to some of the evidence. (Thomas), Jesse McReynolds, now thirty-eight, had botched a $ 113 gas station robbery in Arizona during which he forced the clerk to move from Point A to Point B. Was it her parents? He takes pictures of her dying and possibly records it. But then when you get to handwriting on the note, both parents' fibers on the body, the evidence of previous abuse, the families behavior, the random fact of the late night pineapple, the way she was redressed, the Barbie nightgown, all the weird little details, it all falls apart. And they didn't just lie that morning. (Thomas), When I die, I'm going to be cremated. He carried it to the hospital as a lucky charm during the surgery. Another mother also stated to BPD investigators that JonBent had told a playmate about a Secret Santa. It wasnt until 2008 when the Boulder County District Attorneys office ruled that the Ramseys were no longer considered suspects thanks to newly developed DNA sampling and testing techniques. According to CNN, an original prosecutor on the Ramsey case claimed that Bill had given JonBent a card with the message: "You will receive a special gift after Christmas." Hearst Magazine Media, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Karr eventually came out as a transgender woman in 2010. In A Mother Gone Bad: The Hidden Confession of JonBent's Killer, psychologist Andrew G. Hodgesargues that one possibility in the murder is that Patsy Ramsey caught her husband molesting JonBenet, and hit her in a fit of rage. The play, Hey Rube, was about the 1965 torture and murder of Sylvia Likens in Indiana. This was in Kolar's book. We're going to go up behind the cabin here and have it blow away in the wind." It's certainly a mysterious, and heart-breaking case that has long raised many questions about the young girl's death. Many of the similarities between the Ramsey case and McReynolds' play come from these allegations of sexual molestation. One of America's most famous unsolved cases is undoubtedly the murder of JonBent Ramsey in Boulder, Colorado and CBS has opened its own investigation with the two-part special The Case Of: JonBent Ramsey. I have read it was either an independent producer working on "spec" or McReynolds himself that hired the film crew. They realize that someone is playing a sick game with them. And another creepy coincidence that The same former coworker also claimed that someone close to Helgoth had a tape recording of him confessing to the murder, but policenever investigated it. CBS will air a six-hour, three-part documentary series called The Case of: JonBent Ramsey in September, The New York Times reported. Bill McReynolds dressed as Father Christmas to attend a party just days before the little girl was found murdered on Boxing Day 1996. Janets daughter and a friend were taken to an unknown location, where Janets daughter was forced to watch her friend being sexually molested. John Mark Karr confessed to murdering JonBent in 2006. (Thomas), McReynolds said what was truly terrible was that this wasnt the first child to die during his Santa years. Her friend was sexually assaulted and Jill escaped unharmed. I was in my final semester in college at the time and my professor the head of the criminal justice department was absolutely sure the Ramsey did it. Following the Ramseys exoneration thanks to new DNA technology, many hoped the killer would eventually be found. Any additional thoughts or insight would be appreciated. While there, CNN reports that he allegedly gave JonBent a card that read, "You will receive a special gift after Christmas.". Many sleuths believe that Helgoth had heard he was a suspect in the case, with a popular theory believing that it was his footprint at the crime scene. Stop it already, Yes. John Mark Karr confessed to murdering JonBent in 2006. The Boulder Police Department was hit with a lot of criticism due to their handling of the investigation. It's really blurry even when it's enlarged. The correspondence took a disturbing turn, with Karr talking about his sexual fascination with JonBent. I did. Be the first one to, Jill McReynolds abduction documents from Longmont PD, Advanced embedding details, examples, and help, Terms of Service (last updated 12/31/2014). Because of their proximity to the family, the couple was questioned in February of 1997 after returning from a vacation in Spain. Similarities between the Moscow student murders and the Press J to jump to the feed. Why did he even write it in the house? The Best Valentines Day TV Episodes For Kids, Chrissy Teigen & John Legend Have Welcomed Their New Baby, Prince Harry Says Hes Worried One Of Prince Williams Kids Will End Up As The Spare, By subscribing to this BDG newsletter, you agree to our. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. Following the success of shows recounting murder cases and trials like, The People v. O.J Simpson, and Making A Murderer, both CBS and Lifetime are bringing JonBent's story to TV this year. Ramsey Home Walkthrough - 3D Computer Model. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Because for years that's been what most people have heard. To inquire about a licence to reproduce material, visit our Syndication site. I felt very close to that little girl. To perhaps no one's surprise, this has been debunked multiple times, and prior to Katy Perry, the theory was that JonBent was actually Lady Gaga. Email us at [email protected] or call 212 416 4552. "The Sun", "Sun", "Sun Online" are registered trademarks or trade names of News Group Newspapers Limited. She made a profound change in me. 2023 BDG Media, Inc. All rights reserved. Thats who interests me a little more than his father. OK. Whatever we wanted, he gave, and Jesses handwriting eliminated him as the author of the ransom note. McReynoldss own daughter had been kidnapped 22 years before. She was a member of First Baptist Bluegrass. 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